Gay Marriage

Gay marriage returns to the political agenda [+ video]

By: Information Daily Staff Writer
Published: Wednesday, October 10, 2012 - 15:00 GMT Jump to Comments

Gay marriage continues to be a divisive issue among Conservative Party members, as well as religious groups who are concerned that government plans to legalise same-sex marriage will threaten religious freedom.

Anglican Mainstream, a group dedicated to the promotion of Anglican Church teachings, hosted a debate at the Conservative Party conference fringe event on whether gay couples should be entitled to the same marriage rights as heterosexuals.

The recent study 'What’s In A Name?', by right wing think-tank Policy Exchange, provided the basis for the discussion.

David Skelton, Deputy Director of Policy Exchange, argued that on the basis of the study findings, which were entirely “evidence based”, there was no case for gay marriage not to be introduced in the UK.

The stabilising influence of marriage and the health and happiness it can promote were, Skelton explained, key means with which to tackle some of the problems faced by the gay community.

Skelton argued that conservatives ought to embrace the idea of equal marriage for these social reasons, which he believed to be at the heart of "conservatism at its best", drawing different groups together and contributing to "one-nation Britain". 

While Skelton also emphasised his belief that churches should not be forced into allowing same sex marriage, he concluded that as long as religious freedom can be protected, "given that marriage is such a powerful institution, why should gay people not be allowed to participate?"

Dermot O’Callaghan, Church of Ireland Lay Reader, spoke on behalf of Anglican Mainstream in response to the study.  O’Callaghan argued that while marriage works within a heterosexual context, to assume that it would operate in the same way within a homosexual relationship would be mistaken. He goes on to argue that this is also an unwelcome imposition of ‘heterocentrism’ onto gay relationships.

O’Callaghan gave three reasons as to why gay marriage should not be allowed. Firstly, he suggested that marriage is the means by which young men are “tamed” and pacified by their wives, with the result of a committed, monogamous relationship. This is not possible for homosexual couples, said O’Callaghan, since “two lions can’t pacify each other”.

Secondly, monogamy between two gay men was not possible due to the “radical difference between heterosexual love and homosexual”.  O’Callaghan’s third point was that, because of these issues, the institution of marriage would be adversely affected were it to be extended to same-sex relationships, and that this outweighed arguments for inclusivity and equal marriage rights.

O’Callaghan finished by criticising the Policy Exchange study for its failure to mention children, and the adverse impact that being brought up by two gay parents would have.

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“O’Callaghan gave three reasons as to why gay marriage should not be allowed. Firstly, he suggested that marriage is the means by which young men are “tamed” and pacified by their wives, with the result of a committed, monogamous relationship. This is not possible for homosexual couples, said O’Callaghan, since “two lions can’t pacify each other”.”

Seriously ? wives pacify their husbands ?

When did that happen ?

And why didn’t it happen to Mr O’Callaghan who is apparently married, well he certainly has a son and being a lay preacher and all I would assume he’s married.

See http://www.anglican-mainstream.net/2012/10/10/speech-for-real-marriage-tory-party-conference-debate-with-policy-exchange/ where he mentions his son, and draws a comparison between his failing to transplant a tree and gay marriage. So because he’s not a very good gardener this somehow means gay marriage will also fail, strange logic but I guess it makes sense to Mr O’Callaghan.

“Secondly, monogamy between two gay men was not possible due to the “radical difference between heterosexual love and homosexual”.”

And what radical difference would that be precisely, given that Mr O’Callaghan only has direct experience of one and is basically making assumptions about the other.

How many gay people in committed relationships does this man actually know ? and how many of those are monogamous and how many aren’t ?

“O’Callaghan’s third point was that, because of these issues, the institution of marriage would be adversely affected were it to be extended to same-sex relationships, and that this outweighed arguments for inclusivity and equal marriage rights.”

Lets recap here

The first point is rubbish, I don’t know any married couple where the husband has been ‘tamed’ by the wife and I have a shiny penny saying I personally know know more married couples than Mr O’Callaghan knows couples in civil partnerships or even just gay people generally.

The second point is also rubbish, Mr O’Callaghan has no evidence whatsoever to back up the claim that gay couples can not be monogamous, I have yet another shiny penny to say I know more people in civil partnerships than he does and I don’t know of one where they couple are not monogamous.

However because these two flights of fantasy are asserted as truth and not anecdotes dreamed up in the imagination of Mr O’Callaghan, who it should be noted has not produced any actual evidence to support these claims, we are now asked to take the third piece of rubbish as being truth also.

I.E. because in Mr O’Callaghan’s opinion women somehow pacify their menfolk despite lacking any supporting evidence and further in his opinion gay people can’t be monogamous again despite the many couples I know personally who disprove this, this means that gay marriage will have a detrimental effect on the institution as a whole.

There’s a word for this type of reasoning.

Fallacious.

fal·la·cious (f-lshs)
adj.
1. Containing or based on a fallacy: a fallacious assumption.
2. Tending to mislead; deceptive: fallacious testimony.

Another word would be homophobic.

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